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Having read this essay, I am full of eagerness to discuss the other elements of the book. I think (if I read you correctly) that you too find Mormon religious imagery through-out-the books.
I apologize for the title of my essay which I did not choose. I chose “Twilight!”
Much to discuss . . . though I will note that I argue the books improve as they go (the last is much better than the first so to speak!) . . . and that I could only dream of writing one half so good.
John Mark
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Wow, it was really nice to hear another intelligent person have some praise for Twilight!
Yours was a good response. I’m so interested to hear further information about the Mormon underpinnings to the books, especially in light of the Americanism of that faith. That Garrett, the “revolutionary” patriot, spoke up in the big final battle with some of the key ideas in the books, is therefore quite fitting.
Of course, a doctrine like Celestial Marriage certainly makes for “Flawed Faith” to an Orthodox Christian, as well as to a Catholic one–and by the by, while Stephenie Meyer was busy writing against the negative stereotypes of her faith, I do wish she wouldn’t have perpetuated the negative stereotypes of mine…. *sigh*…. I wondered about that with the Volturi.
It’s interesting to hear that the Fall is considered “necessary, even salutary” by the Mormons. That makes the symbolism of the Coke-drinking scene as access to Cullen insider information make a lot more sense. At least, if my brain is working correctly!
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So, is anybody, like, writing a book that will help explicate what’s going on in Meyer’s series? That would be really helpful, even for us Twilight dislikers.
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I understand some Harry Potter maven is doing so as we speak, revgeorge. Heh.
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I forgot. Good one on the Coke-drinking scene. Although, my husband who traveled to Salt Lake City regularly a few years ago, said caffeine doesn’t appear to be a big issue anymore. So I don’t know how much resonance that has.
I liked the nature of the “dialogue” here between John and Mark, and was pleased to see that Reynolds liked the books beyond stuff Christian nitpickers would object to.
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I love an intelligent discussion that doesn’t remotely descend into pettiness! It is exactly the sort of thing I try to get my college students to do, but they struggle. Our culture always seems to want a brawl (hence so much disappointment from some readers when the BD resolution is one of reason rather than passion). Bravo, gents, for an entertaining and enlightening conversation among brethern. Beautiful.
The Coke drinking in interesting to me, too. I am fascinated by the use of food and drink in fairy tales and imaginative literature, from Alice in Wonderland’s snacks to Edmund’s Turkish Delight and Lucy’s sardines. I always was interested to note that LDS folks don’t drink coke or coffee (and I think Charlie Swan is the only police office I have met in print or person who does not drink coffee by the gallon), but chocolate is apparently ok (thank goodness, perish the thought of forbidding chocolate!), and that is the color repeatedly used for Bella’s, then Renesmee’s, eyes. (One of my issues, too, Prof. Reynolds, is the excess of adjectives in the books. I tend to get things the first time, so I don’t need the same adjectives again and again!) I’ll have to go back and check, but I think at the bonfire the Qs are all drinking root beer, which is decaf, too.
C.S. Lewis was also not opposed to the delights of “penny dreadfuls,” and Twilight does pass one of his very important Experiment in Criticism tests: it bears up beautfully under multiple reading. “Bad” books, like poor films or TV shows, we don’t want to revisit once we ‘ve found out who the murderer is or gotten the punchline. -
Let’s just say it bears up under multiple readings for some people. There’s also many who don’t want to reread Twilight multiple times. And even though I’m reading lots of discussion on Twilight I don’t feel inclined to read it again. Just saying.
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Well, it took me three readings to appreciate the first Twilight book, to have the story transcend the writing quality. And it was worth it. Kind of like seeing a Potter film more than once to appreciate what they did do, rather than what they didn’t. Consider Twilight’s writing as Gambon’s Dumbledore–there’s much more beyond that. The other books are much more complex, and the writing zings you along.
Re caffeine. I checked with my husband this morning. He said that the caffeine issue seemingly had to do with temperatue. Hot caffeine (coffee, tea)–nuh-uh. But everyone was drinking Coke and diet Coke. So perhaps Bella and Edward should have been having hot quadruple-shot cappucinos.
We had friends that lived near Provo for several years. They told us that for Mormons, living in Utah is kind of like living in the promised land, and they’re more lax because of this. Away from Utah, believers are more strict. We have a lot of Mormons here (temple and special schools, too) and in Idaho. (For some reason, a non-practicing Mormon here is referred to as a “jack Mormon.” I don’t know why.)
Ditto your first sentence, Elizabeth. Oh, and the Quileutes were drinking root beer at the beach. So maybe this proves the point about the farther away you are from Utah, the stricter you are. I never thought about the importance of food and drink in fairy tales. Interesting.
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As I wish to be respectful toward anyone’s beliefs, I shouldn’t have put in the part about “jack Mormon” without looking it up first, as it might be a perjorative term (although I’ve only heard it used in a matter of fact way. See:
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You know, my intellectual goal is rapidly becoming being able to post a response without revgeorge clearing his throat, Umbridge like, after it

Seriously, I think it’s great that you participate so thoughtfully in a discussion on books you don’t care for. I can’t really see myself participating a blog on, say, Nicholas Sparks, Survivor, Eminem, or other phenomenon that don’t do much for me but which other people love.
Do you recall the scene in Mr. Holland’s Opus when Mr, Holland describes hating John Coletrane the first time, but he played it again, and again, and just couldn’t stop playing it? Watch out; you might get sucked in yet (I’ll keep a good thought for you!
But you are right, not everyone wants or can read something more than once. I have a friend whose daughter actually hated Where the Wild Things Are, though I’ve memorized it over the countless reads for my little ones. There is a difference, I think, between the “disposable” book and one that many, if not most, readers will revisit. -
Actually I’ve never seen Mr. Holland’s Opus!! So I’m deficient on that account too.
I’ll try to avoid being sucked into becoming a Twilight lover. Hopefully there’s a vaccine or something to ward that off.
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Morning, All.
Has been a while since I have been able to not just read the comments, but have had the time to post, too! Have been fascinated by all of the Twilight discussion. I thoroughly enjoyed reading Ms. Meyer’s books, but have to admit that to a Potterphile like myself, that the Twilight series just doesn’t give the same kind of mental and spiritual nourishment, so have not returned to the Twilight “table” to reread again and again like I have the Potter series. I liken it to having a choice between a meal replacement bar and a fully cooked meal. Although the meal replacement bar has all the requisite vitamins and nutrients needed for SUSTAINING life, it just is missing something that a fully cooked meal has–the means to ENRICH and DEEPEN life. Guess it’s my whole “warped” Catholic worldview?! LOL
Keep up with the insightful and perceptive comments. Although it might SEEM like many people are not following the conversation, more than you know are being sustained (and even nourished!) by it.


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